are alarming. >> well, is the science -- is the science inclusive? >> the science is conclusive and it's been that way for 20-30 year. we need to cut back on salt, on saturated fat from cheese and meat, cut back on refined sugars and eat a lot more fruits and vegetables and whole grains. >> do you think eating a proper diet can make you healthier or a less healthy diet can make you less healthier. >> absolutely, we have an epidemic not only obesity. >> you think by certain eating you can cure existing ailments. >> absolutely. >> like what? >> like heart disease, like hypertension, those are -- >> cholesterol? >> that's right. those are major, major health problems. cardiovascular disease, heart attack and stroke kills 650,000 americans a year. much of that, you can't prevent it, everybody's going to die but you can postpone it by eating a diet that's low in saturated fats -- >> but, you know, you have to take rabos, i mean, you have to look upon this as, what did the greeks say made in our die, nothing too much. you can have a cone of ice cream -- you used to condemn eggs years ago, did you n